2 years ago. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. deactivated-621c40d36c53f. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only. My favourite Marvel tier 1 vs. . 81. ;. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s greatest heroes. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. One Punch Man gets one punched by Beyonder and the shock wave from the punch kills Squirrel Girl as well. LT got rekt by beyonder Reply Ozymandias935 • Additional comment actions. -All the fundamental force of the multiverse (including Oblivion, Living Tribunal, Death, Eternity) kneeling in font of Stranger when he sought to use the power of the Phoenix Force to recreate 'all that is' and make himself 'all powerful'. Cosmic Elvis. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A(more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B(same as The Beyonder). The Physical Timeline Multiverse of DC has changed sizes from being 52 Timelines. Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. Yeah true. Pre-retcon Beyonder is his most popular matchup, or at least the one I see most often, but who's his closest?. SirMethos. Hajun via feats and implied power. All proof that is needed is the fact that he is beyond the marvel multiverse. Even if it wasn't I'm pretty sure this wasn't added due to being a stomp. Matter of fact she doesn’t even beat Mister Mxyztplk. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. Presence isn't all that impressive either, but enough to. Since u said their "own" verse. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. TonyStark6999. 3 + (STR*0. Yujiro defeated a big elephant that even 3 military cars with 5 black guys couldn't stop. Nov 5, 2017. 0. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. The Beyonder, and Molecule man, are each. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. 3 years ago. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. Speed Equalized Round 1: Gauntlet Scenario Round 2: John. Marvel tends to have their top tier have very physical feats while lucifer's are more metaphysical. About; History; Powers; Equipment; Movies; Gallery; Battles; Comments; Edit; Power Stats; SHDb; uStats; Intelligence. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Superhuman Strength: Superman Prime One Million has the ability to physically lift humongous levels of weight, and deliver physical blows of colossal magnitudes. The same exact way Presence is the Supreme Being of the DC Multiverse. 8 years ago. And a similar amount more powerful than everything in the MU combined. Teams that give him a good enough fight to make him respect them he lets live. Forum Posts. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined, thats what convinces me he is above TOAA. 66. Both are vastly above. I have him at Multiversal. I'm talking only about marvel and not including DC. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. bonus: lỊch sỬ cÁc lẦn retcon cỦa beyonder – kẺ sỞ hỮu nhỮng feat bÁ ĐẠo nhẤt lỊch sỬ marvel comic. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. #28 ovy7. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. 3 years ago. it would be mostly stalemate. And yeah he stomps. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. which is. Tier= Universal+ | Creation. ) Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. He would also be the main villain in. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. • 1 year ago. I feel like Pre-Retcon Beyonder can do practically anything unless someone "more omnipotent" negates his power in some way. It's simple. Lucifer is definitely Pre-Retcon Beyonder tier while the Living Tribunal has become a jobber these past few years. Random encounter. The powers of the PRB are attributed as unlimited; omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent. It would be the Inhuman/mutant beyonder powers so Post Retcon but not the trash Cosmic Cube one. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Creation. Powers and Stats. Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. i wanted to do this match but their was also too big of a tier gap, but now it can happen both 1-A obviouslyYujiro copies The Beyonder's abilities but then says he won't need them to defeat him before showing The Beyonder the woman in him. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. Beyonder and its not even close. TOAAPRESENCE1. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. People already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. 3. 4,453 1,084. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. Why? Because beyonder powers are const and limited. According to that one guy Anos could do it, though I take that with a pinch of salt. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. This is shown many times throughout Secret Wars 2. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. akuto fictionally transcends an uncountably infinite layered hierarchy of characters who are above the concepts of space & time and/or platonic forms in nature which also contains all possibilities & impossibilities, & each tier in the hierarchy fictionally transcends the one below it, making even the lowest characters in the hierarchy very high into high. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. Let me remind you that SCP verse is much bigger than both Marvel and DC. Pennywise beyond infinite-D has no basis. The fight takes place in an empty galaxy. Nov 25, 2017. The Beyonder is a fictional character appearing in comicbooks published by Marvel Comics. e. Rules: All tier zero characters from marvel are removed. Business, Economics, and Finance. Ashley. This was the same time the first Secret Wars wherein Beyonder first. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. M. 5: Anyone with The Infinity Gauntlet (When it could be used in Unison)You need to be logged in to post comments. 3 years ago. Beyonder 73%. - Fight Scenario -. I'm not taking sides. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Follow 41274. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just wishes Spectre to be gone and that's it. 1. Jack Kline can’t do shit. -. @mr-yes: Yeah I don't see how this makes him stronger than this Beyonder, who tangibly bypassed all of Marvel cosmology (even the parts supposedly "beyond" it) and did his Pre-Retcon feats as a. When ranking the strength of characters the natural thing to go by first is physics. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Keenko. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. 0. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Lucifer stomps. Age: Unknown. Basically, I am perfectly fine with rating pre-retcon Beyonder as likely 1-A, as Oblivion had already been established at the time, but if Marvel establishes a new character that. In terms of scaling, the downplay of most of the entire Marvel verse was frustrating. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. I just want to gauge how strong marvel characters would be in relation to morningstar. Forum Posts. Sep 6, 2015. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. 5 years ago Gojira25124-Beyonder True Omnipotent değildir sadece Hyperversal level omnipotenttir. And Anyone that says Dragonball characters can beat someone like the Living Tribunal is delusional. . Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. 548. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Key: Incomplete Cosmic Cube | Ascended Cosmic Cube (Kosmos) | Adult Beyonder | Escaped from the House of Ideas. Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. The entire Watcher. Not even remotely close. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. (still high 1-B but much lower on the tier). as omnipotent deities in their respective realities, the OAA Dominates the Hoi Realm. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. here is a fight that involves. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. The old prerecton beyonder wasnt the same as the current beyonders, but he was related to them. 0. The brothers are strongest than the living tribunal and the spectre. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and Multi-Oblivion & Oblivion (Pre-Retcon)?The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. 4 years ago. London, UK. 0. Register Sign in. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. 1. The Byonder had to use an infinitesimal fraction of himself to possess people until he got close enough to Doom and have Doom lose control of the. No rules as pre-retcon Beyonder is silly powerful but try to keep the teams to a sensible size. Yep. I really can't be asked to go. He. Scan 1 and Scan 2. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Continental. I mean, Beyonder hilariously outclasses Merc in terms of AP, but their conceptual hax seems about equal. True form DS power is unknown. 0. Origin: Marvel. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael DemiurgosAll Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. M. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. The following is an overview of our Tiering System. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. Although marvel uses numbers to calculate; it's as if he's Alef Null x Billion beyond infinity that already exist, which Tribunal and many others have already transcended. 5 years ago. He first appeared in the 1984 limited series "Secret Wars" and was created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. please everyone change your vote there is no way Beyonder (pre retcon) looses here the "FRA" movement here is based off a. He beat the Living Tribunal. George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. Spectre. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. With that said, some random guy asked Tom Brevoort on Pre-retcon Beyonder being an omnipotent, and this is what he had to say. This proves by showing you that he read the writer's mind and was able to talk to him and not only that, shred the comic-book and escaping to reality in 'Defenders: Beyond (2022-23)'Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. 43. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Dreamxd26 • 2 yr. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. Almost any high tier character can beat him"Motion Carried!" ― Alien X Alien X is a sample of Celestialsapien DNA recorded in the Omnitrix that Ben Tennyson can utilize to take up the characteristics of a Celestialsapien. 5 years ago. Manhattan. Wiki Points. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. PRB was millions of times more powerful than all the poster in the Multiverse combined. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. Holy moley. Sep 20, 2018. #31. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. Although, if you forced me to choose one, i'd say Beyonder is a little above Molecule Man. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. Galactus (when reasonably fed) and the strongest Celestials. -5. If someone can actually name a more. Beyonder stomps Whole Touhou fodder verse with a thought,while beyonder has feats and proof of being 1-A(Outversal) not being limited to infinitely high geometric dimensions to the verse itself, there is touhou's verse in which the dimensions have been debunked and do not qualify as superior and the ability of yukari only works on beings of a level below her and does not work on beings of a. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. 'Twas always thus, and always thus will be. 1. Thought Robot without any effort. R2: God stomps. 1. Beyonder before the retcon was stronger than TLT. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. That's actually like a low showing for him. 1. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. Bait? 1 year ago. S. Follow 1128. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. Round 10: Presence And GEB ( Respect Thread for GEB) Both are. Lucifer does not stand a chance here. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. #15 Azronger. Contrary to popular belief, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man is actually significantly below Pre-Retcon Beyonder in terms of power. in classic era: Jim. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Edit: Darkest Knight and anti-crisis wonder woman probably also beat the beyonder, as they are empowered by the infinite crisis or anti-crisis energy (the fundamental good/bad energies of the universe, as provided by the presence. The Beyond Realm is a existence that is beyond and older than the current Marvel Omniverse, Originally a realm that was from the Original Beyonder and due to retcons is currently housed by the Omnipotential beings known as The Beyonders. Summary. Oct 24, 2019PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. She isn't on the level of Lucifer, or PR Beyonder, or anywhere close to TOAA. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity. Beyonder wins with high difficulty . xyrzrockrain. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. ago. She’s not on Living Tribunal’s tier. Forums. There's a reason why the word "retcon" is used; pre-retcon Beyonder doesn't exist anymore. And this character is an entire cardinal infinite tier below. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. Oblivion is more powerful than Eternity but not by much. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. Possibly so, but if he was talking about. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. The One-Above-All - vs - Beyonder (Post-Retcon) # 35 K The One-Above-All Thats so * dumb, Post-retcon beyonder is universal+ and scales below eternity, pre-retcon beyonder might have a chance as he is the full beyond realm which infinitely transcends the main marvel multiverse TOAA includedBeyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his powers and abilities. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. Wiki Points. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. I/O, Demonbane, Cthulhu Mythos, Umineko, and Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. HOTU has shit tier feats, as does Beyonder. And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. I mean it would be awesome to see Beyonder whip his ass with ease but I mean, poor Anti-Monitor, he was an evil bastard but he did not deserve this. There is no way to square all of. That's actually like a low showing for him. And if we are talking about Cosmic hierarchy then Perpetua is higher tier then Mandrakk. The Mage: Molecule Man: Round 2: The Mages are Marauders. CryptoA registered-source only wiki that is built upon stolen concepts (They stole from a Russian Wiki called Anime-Fight Club which just like Vsbattles Wiki is biased against comics) and known for stealing loads of information from Outskirts Battle Dome and Google+ (from my friends) and trying to pass it as if they know the information themselves until. Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. . God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Who can beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7. he has base stats of high island ap and dura with near sol speed and ftl combat speed. Beyonder Boy ("Incomplete Cosmic Cube"): Single Mother of Three (Perpetua): Noneless21 He/Him 7,323 4,911. As we can recall Pre Retcon Molecule Man was close in range to The Pre-retcon Beyonder, but even still was no match for him. 7. Abilites and Powers: Nigh Omnipotence,. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. beyonder post-retcon i (aka beyonder cosmic cube) 3. Originally posted by the DarkoneThe brothers are the most powerfull in there Multiverse. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. CsmicRanker1314 1. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. @majinmike: Because Beyonder is considered nigh omnipotence , even we assume they can adapt his power, they can still get '' unmade'' ,because they are not even high tier cosmic beings. This was obviously an insane level of power so he was eventually retconned to be weaker and also. She’s not on Living Tribunal’s tier. No, he is likely Presence level. -Everything in bleach. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. Follow 5232. At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. The biggest question is Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs HOTU. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. P. Rememeber he is a CONCEPT who wields power enough for him to create and destroy 60 billion. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. Rune King Thor is still under beings such as The Living Tribunal infinitely. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. . Molecule Man has fought Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is more powerful than Dr. Classification: Cosmic Entity. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. 1 Answer. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. 11,059. . I think it was Uncanny X-men 203#. u/nullfather can attest to that. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. Named but mid-level Celestials. Beyonder before the retcon was stronger than TLT. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 12 days ago. Only if the Beyonder is in his realm, but that becomes a major stomp based on whats said here. Location. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. in classic era: Jim. Thirdeev. Humans that exist in a megaverse can't automatically destroy a universe in another fiction. Using these lines of evidence, pre-retcon beyonder clearly wields greater control over reality than OT god. beyonder post-retcon ii (aka beyonder-inhuman-mutant) 4.